Yeah even in the Nurn I only use AP on DDs, can get 2 - 4 k salvos on them and HE barely even seems to tickle them. So are you saying EM shouldn't be your T2 skill at Hipper and up? Because the only other useful one I could see is incoming fire alert, which I suppose at high tiers could be useful, but I have pretty decent map awareness and try to always know where BBs are to avoid getting smoked in 1 salvo. Your AA actually becomes reasonable from Hipper and Roon, while Hindenburg gets amazing AAA, only second to Des Moines Your AA actually becomes reasonable from Hipper and Roon, while Hindenburg gets amazing AAA, only second to Des Moines. You should only be using AP in Hipper and up, even against DDs. Your engine and rudder no longer get knocked out instantly Your turrets rotation becomes very fast, 180d/22s fast. Yorck is a TOTALLY different animal when compared to Hipper, Roon and Hindenburg and some captain skills that were useful in Yorck become pointless in Hipper+. Smart captains aren't going to show broadside to german CA's, but there are plenty of questionable players even in T10. Now the 210s may be a different story, but I would say it is situational as well. HE does have to be used at times, bow on or hard angled ships just deflect 150s, you have to use HE in those situations. I know to use AP most of time, I have over 200 battles in german cruisers. You realize that I am talking CA's here yes? York has 12% of fire (same as Cleveland) and Hipper through Hind have 11%.
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